Debate on the Future of the Bolens Hobby, Thoughts , comments?

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Been thinking about this alot the last few weeks as I once again prepare my tractors for show season , Looking through the old brochures to make signage and gathering the retail prices written down by dealers back in the 60's and 70's , $800 for an Estate Keeper , $512 for a Husky 600 in 1962 , $1009 for a Bolens 1220 , $1400 for a Bolens 1476 , all with inflation would be well over $5,000+ on average for each and really these tractors were right at the top of the pricing scale comparing other brands , Factor in 2-3 attachments your at an $8000 machine with todays money.



Having been active buying/ collecting in the Bolens world for over 14 years now theres no question the market has shifted and values of most Bolens items have dipped significantly , what used to sell for $500 in the early -mid 2000's has dropped about 35% . I'm not sure what it is or how it happened , the economy has always had ups and downs since these tractors were made and values always stayed pretty much the same but thats not the case over the last 5-7 years or so. Looking at other brands like JD, Wheel Horse and cub cadet the market is still strong as can be there , and I cant say its from lack of parts support, Bolens parts are now more plentiful than ever with guys making reproductions and new dealers coming into the fold. If you look at all these online groups theres more guys selling than buying , maybe thats where the true issue lies are we losing collectors? Are the older guys leaving us and not many new people know or want to know how to work on these? .



Have the influx of the online groups made once non accessible parts & Tractors that once were "rare" now a common everyday item with less desire to own ?



Are we undervaluing our machines into obsolescence? These were the best tractors ever built !

I know everyone likes a deal and there will always be steals to be had buying these but the puzzling thing is a clean unmolested original tractor is listing for less than a chopped up mess today? !!!

My fear is if the values go lower whats the incentive for most to even drag one of these out of the woods and save it from the scrap man knowing they will only get $150 if they ever have to sell it down the road, Potentially theres alot of machines that could die sooner than later.

I know personally I just collect for enjoyment and have no intentions of ever selling my stuff but often worry about the hobby as a whole because once these hit the scrapyard for china they are not coming back



Thoughts?

 
I see just the opposite. Most old gems that I see are not less than $500. for just a tractor, implements going for not much less. I think the rescuing efforts are growing for old stuff with the upcoming generation. I'm hoping the children of the millennials are drawn to what their grandparents have been using for decades.
 
I think it has way less to do with the tractor market and more to do with individual local economy. My area is in a pretty bad down turn in my opinion. The mines cut back 2 years ago. Many lost their jobs. Now the mines are in an upturn but our locally economy is still slow to recover. If you put any type of older garden tractor on craigslist for 500 to a 1000 dollars(if it was in run able workable conditon) it was gone in days. Now the same tractors are listed for months. People dont have the disposable income to play with a hobby. And definitely dont have cash laying around. They need to use loans and credit cards

Seems to be the same for any big hobby. Motorcycles, atvs, sxs, ect. Craigslist is polluted with this stuff.

On the other hand when I bought my tractor in may the john deere dealer told me they had moved 200 plus tractors and subcompacts just in may..but I imagine 99% of those were financed. Deere finance is super is to get and the payments are low if you want to pay on it forever.
 
Been thinking about this alot the last few weeks as I once again prepare my tractors for show season , Looking through the old brochures to make signage and gathering the retail prices written down by dealers back in the 60's and 70's , $800 for an Estate Keeper , $512 for a Husky 600 in 1962 , $1009 for a Bolens 1220 , $1400 for a Bolens 1476 , all with inflation would be well over $5,000+ on average for each and really these tractors were right at the top of the pricing scale comparing other brands , Factor in 2-3 attachments your at an $8000 machine with todays money.



Having been active buying/ collecting in the Bolens world for over 14 years now theres no question the market has shifted and values of most Bolens items have dipped significantly , what used to sell for $500 in the early -mid 2000's has dropped about 35% . I'm not sure what it is or how it happened , the economy has always had ups and downs since these tractors were made and values always stayed pretty much the same but thats not the case over the last 5-7 years or so. Looking at other brands like JD, Wheel Horse and cub cadet the market is still strong as can be there , and I cant say its from lack of parts support, Bolens parts are now more plentiful than ever with guys making reproductions and new dealers coming into the fold. If you look at all these online groups theres more guys selling than buying , maybe thats where the true issue lies are we losing collectors? Are the older guys leaving us and not many new people know or want to know how to work on these? .



Have the influx of the online groups made once non accessible parts & Tractors that once were "rare" now a common everyday item with less desire to own ?



Are we undervaluing our machines into obsolescence? These were the best tractors ever built !

I know everyone likes a deal and there will always be steals to be had buying these but the puzzling thing is a clean unmolested original tractor is listing for less than a chopped up mess today? !!!

My fear is if the values go lower whats the incentive for most to even drag one of these out of the woods and save it from the scrap man knowing they will only get $150 if they ever have to sell it down the road, Potentially theres alot of machines that could die sooner than later.

I know personally I just collect for enjoyment and have no intentions of ever selling my stuff but often worry about the hobby as a whole because once these hit the scrapyard for china they are not coming back



Thoughts?

My thought is how much was a 1053 back then?
 
Maybe one of the answers could be how many people are bringing their tractors to shows ? Or did they just spend $$$$ to have something that just sits in the corner ? We have some very nice collections of different brands at our show last weekend and not just JD & Cubs , but are far as Bolens the only ones were for sale in the flea market . I wish I would have looked closer to give an idea of the condition and model #s they were older ones , I do remember the prices looked very good $150 & $250 for clean tractors with decks .
 
Here in New England the interest in the old riding garden tractors has really climbed. There are a lot of collectors around, and even garden tractor pulling has taken off too. I don`t see much of a reason to worry about the future of garden tracrors around here. As for Bolens, in CT where I grew up, Bolens was a very popular make and they used to be all over the place, and are still popular among collectors. At the shows there are more garden tractors than farm tractors, sometimes mare than the gas engines too, so at least here in the Northeast their future is secure.
 
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Been seeing a lot of garden tractors at local shows, I also have farm tractors, easily youngest guy bidding on farm stuff at most auctions, prices for that stuff is sad. Garden tractors at auction have been high around here, Canandaigua could be interesting to see what shows up.
 
I think Texas H. H. and Deere has it right location, location, location, when it comes to price and availability . As Rustysteele said Conn. has a lot of collectors, NJ not so much since we have very few shows and most people are unaware the hobby exists. Penn. seems to have the most collectors in the tri state area the hobby there is far from going away, as young people and children are seen at many shows . Country folk are more in touch with the hobby because they use the machines on their land, and the collecting aspect of the hobby grows there because of the numerous shows they have.
 
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Maybe one of the answers could be how many people are bringing their tractors to shows ? Or did they just spend $$$$ to have something that just sits in the corner ? We have some very nice collections of different brands at our show last weekend and not just JD & Cubs , but are far as Bolens the only ones were for sale in the flea market . I wish I would have looked closer to give an idea of the condition and model #s they were older ones , I do remember the prices looked very good $150 & $250 for clean tractors with decks .
that's me, I would love to be able to travel and spend weekends at shows but with my crazy life I don't have the time so yes all my restored stuff is in the shed I drive around the yard once and awhile and bring them all for picnics
 
Maybe one of the answers could be how many people are bringing their tractors to shows ? Or did they just spend $$$$ to have something that just sits in the corner ? We have some very nice collections of different brands at our show last weekend and not just JD & Cubs , but are far as Bolens the only ones were for sale in the flea market . I wish I would have looked closer to give an idea of the condition and model #s they were older ones , I do remember the prices looked very good $150 & $250 for clean tractors with decks .

I don't have time to enter in shows either. We have all of the cubs are "show ready" But man, there is no time with the kids, work, taking care of my house, and finding a couple hours a night to sleep. I just don't have the time. Maybe one day, if I ever live to retirement age, and I can still move half way decent I'll start showing stuff.
 
Not in to "Show Ready" tractors. Have to go a couple hours one way to find a show in this area. County Fairs is about the extent of it. None of my tractors are "Pretty Tractors" but the run and are working tractors. I enjoy mine by using them when and where I want to. Different strokes for different folks.
 
Here's an example of what I see in our area. My wife sent me this pic from the annual worlds largest yard sale. $1600. With deck & snow blower, runs great.6477.jpeg
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I picked up parts from a guy he had a 1050 under a tarp, hadn't run in awhile had a deck a wheel weights could of had for 100 bucks, i had no intrest in it, said he had no luck trying sell it, was on ebay a few weeks ago for 85 bucks not sure if it sold or not
 
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