I don't usually run erronds with the Ms. She takes off and goes her way and does the shopping. I don't shop. I know what I am after, and sometimes even know where it is at, if they didn't move it from the last time. Yesterday I pulled the rear end plate off the 1650 Cub. Only way to drain the hydro. Never been changed since May of 1979 when it was built. That paper gasket is really stuck to both surfaces. Using a razor blade scraper to get it all off. Had to use a cold chisel and hammer to knock the plate loose, then pry it off.